OM.606 Turbo engine into W123?

[Alastair]

Hi guys...

Has anyone done this who can tell me how?

I'm hoping to get an OM.606 and fit to my 1985 W123 wagon. My problem is what Engine Mountings do I use? Are there any other things I need to know?

--I hear that some spacers are needed, 10mm on one side and 20mm the other, so engine 'sits' right. What engine-mount arms needed? those from 606, 603 or those from 617?

Or do I need to make some up from steel?--Hope not!

Looking for the easiest way, rather than the best way at the moment...

I hope to buy a Finnish tubular Exhaust Manifold and better turbo-maybe Holset HX30-40, 7.5mm elements, OM.603 Mechanical pump, maybe 300-350BHP reliable

Finns are the experts, so I ask you...

The car is Right-Hand Drive, a U.K. car if that makes any difference because of steering-box on 'wrong' side.....

Thanks!

[nj^]

I hope to buy a Finnish tubular Exhaust Manifold and better turbo-maybe Holset HX30-40, 7.5mm elements, OM.603 Mechanical pump, maybe 300-350BHP reliable

You wont need 7.5mm elements for 300-350hp, 7mm elements are just fine. HX30 is a little bit too small for those horsepowers, just buy hx40 super

[veskola]

I know two w123 installed with om606 in Finland, here are the presentation videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrTBx2dVHKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9S22SawSxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ljEyq5AiQ

Sedan is made by "Rehtijii" and the topic can be found here:

http://www.mersuforum.net/forum/viewtop ... 736#123736

The wagon is made by Valtonen Motorsport and here is link where you can find some pictures. There was Om617 with chargers, but it is nowadays replaced with om606.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/valtonen.motorsport/

and "cridde" alias Mr Valtonen Motorsport can also be found from this forum:
http://www.mersuforum.net/forum/viewtop ... 532#148532

Unfortunately these guys won't write anymore often here.

...and yep, BIG turbo and huge elements is the way to go HX40super is the minimum

[Alastair]

Thanks guys, Looks like I have Lots of reading to do, which I'll enjoy...!

Yup, had almost deceided HX40 for the Project, but What is HX40 'Super'
--I can find HX40 easy enough from old truck, or does it need to be 'special'....

7.5mm elements from Germany, Exhaust-system from Finland...

Now I need OM.606! --have a possible lead on a good turbot one, will let you know...

Need information on the Mountings for OM.606 into W123

Thanks again, and if you think of any more info I would love to hear more!

[veskola]

Do not take HX40 from old trucks, instead take a brand new HX40super which boost from lover rpm's and gives more on top rpm's. Typical price here in Finland is not more than around 750 €.

Here is a brief information what is Holset Super HX40:

http://www.turbotekniikka.fi/index.php? ... Itemid=148

Just copy paste the text into the google translator...or maybe there is also english texts in the web. Take care also to pick original Holset, not any copy product.

HX40s is Ok between 300-450 hp in diesel engines.

[Alastair]

Do not take HX40 from old trucks, instead take a brand new HX40super which boost from lover rpm's and gives more on top rpm's. Typical price here in Finland is not more than around 750 €.

Here is a brief information what is Holset Super HX40:

http://www.turbotekniikka.fi/index.php? ... Itemid=148

Just copy paste the text into the google translator...or maybe there is also english texts in the web. Take care also to pick original Holset, not any copy product.

HX40s is Ok between 300-450 hp in diesel engines.

Ah, I thought so!--Be TOO easy to take one from Truck! The Super HX40 looks a nice machine...

I was talking to a guy, 'Jeemu' who has 605 and 477BHP and another make turbot but I couldnt find any information on his turbot....Super-Power? I think it is...
At the moment I'm researching the project, It will be a while before I make it happen!
--I look for good 606 currently.

[Alastair]

I looked at the threads posted, but 'Google Translation' makes very confusing reading!--Lots on Myna pumps and Turbos etc, but not engine mounts...

Looking for engine to chassis mount information...?

Thanks!

[Alastair]

Lots of searching, think I may have answer!

Mounting-arms that bolt to engine-block, and bolt to rubber mount from 300SE/L W126 for OM.603-

-But--Do the 603 arms fit 606?

Part numbers-
R603 223 07 04
R603 223 06 04

[veskola]

-But--Do the 603 arms fit 606?

Unfortunately i do not have answer, but i think so. Several om606 engines are installed to w124 chassis, so i think by mixing w126 and w124/om603 mounting arm parts is the trick to go. I must also say that installing om606 to w123 is not any kind of plug and play work.


I try to search more detailed instructions later when i have more time...

jeemu have had several different turbo charger combination, i don't remember exactly what there is in use today but masterpower chargers are also used.

All those three guys are gurus in this area, they do what they want. If there is not suitable parts available they makes those by hands

Masterpower:
http://www.yritysnet.com/tarvikemotti/turbo.htm
http://www.hevosvoima.com/shop/index.ph ... th=174_139

[Alastair]

Hi veskola, I thank you for helping me with this info, and I look forward to any more you can find!

I thought I had found good 606, but the guy was idiot, not good engine and way too much money!

I know its lots of work and modification for 606 into W123, and I am planning at the moment, sourcing parts and finding what I need. It may take me a year to get everything and all the information--But that is fine, I'm not in a hurry!

Hopefully, I do it Once, but do it Right!

Thanks again.

Alastair

[Forced_Induction]

An HX40 is far too big for an OM606. Even on engines twice the displacement its known to be a dog spooling up. It might be fine for the drag strip or race track where you're flogging the piss out of the engine, but on the street you'll have performance little better than that of a non-turbo engine.

The HX35 and HE341 are a far better match. Even if you push 30psi and 6500rpm out of your 606 it still won't be flowing as much air as the stock 5.9L Cummins engine the HX35/HY35/HE341 comes from.

[napa]

An HX40 is far too big for an OM606. Even on engines twice the displacement its known to be a dog spooling up. It might be fine for the drag strip or race track where you're flogging the piss out of the engine, but on the street you'll have performance little better than that of a non-turbo engine.

The HX35 and HE341 are a far better match. Even if you push 30psi and 6500rpm out of your 606 it still won't be flowing as much air as the stock 5.9L Cummins engine the HX35/HY35/HE341 comes from.

51 psi is minimum boost in finland, if talk turbo engine

[nokileka]

An HX40 is far too big for an OM606. Even on engines twice the displacement its known to be a dog spooling up. It might be fine for the drag strip or race track where you're flogging the piss out of the engine, but on the street you'll have performance little better than that of a non-turbo engine.

Maybe HX50 is on the big side for a 5-cylinder, but HX40 too big for OM606? I don't think so. More likely it could be called as a perfect match

[Alastair]

An HX40 is far too big for an OM606. Even on engines twice the displacement its known to be a dog spooling up. It might be fine for the drag strip or race track where you're flogging the piss out of the engine, but on the street you'll have performance little better than that of a non-turbo engine.

The HX35 and HE341 are a far better match. Even if you push 30psi and 6500rpm out of your 606 it still won't be flowing as much air as the stock 5.9L Cummins engine the HX35/HY35/HE341 comes from.

Hmm....

I would agree--IF it were just Any Old HX40....

The ones available in Finland are specially set up for the job--Not sure whats different I'm no expert in Turbos, but the Co. KKD Motorsport offer a range of HX40 for Meserschmitt, (Mercedes) and others.
--They also supply the 'Master-Power' Turbo that Jeemu uses on his 605, which has LARGER wheels than your average Holset HX40!
--Works brill for him in his Daily-Driver!

--Here you go, This is translation of KKD...
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... auto&tl=en

I think its the - Master Power MP58-R2 reflow that Jeemu uses, found under Turbos, 'Master-Power'

[nj^]

The HX35 and HE341 are a far better match

In finland, our air conditioner uses bigger turbos than those two I think i saw a project with hx40 super on om601, and it worked perfectly.

[veskola]

I think i saw a project with hx40 super on om601, and it worked perfectly.

What ? I would like to hear more about that...

[nj^]

ill try my best to find it, maybe it was hy35, but i think it was 40super

[Forced_Induction]

51 psi is minimum boost in finland, if talk turbo engine

Not with single turbos.

More likely it could be called as a perfect match

If you like getting boost by 3500rpm at WOT.

They also supply the 'Master-Power' Turbo that Jeemu uses on his 605, which has LARGER wheels than your average Holset HX40!
--Works brill for him in his Daily-Driver!

Have you seen his dyno graph? He has less power than a stock engine below 3200rpm!

I think i saw a project with hx40 super on om601, and it worked perfectly.

If only there was a way to appropriately communicate my laughter at the thought of that. 5400rpm boost threshold anyone?

[nj^]

They also supply the 'Master-Power' Turbo that Jeemu uses on his 605, which has LARGER wheels than your average Holset HX40!
--Works brill for him in his Daily-Driver!

Have you seen his dyno graph? He has less power than a stock engine below 3200rpm!

HAH!

[Forced_Induction]

I know, it is pretty funny.

[jeemu]

I know, it is pretty funny.

Forced oh Forced. When you got it at everybody dont build their cars low rpm engines?

Can you tell how much originally om605 gives torgue at 4500, 5000, or 6000rpm?

By the way, when i star build this engine, it has 170nm/3200rpm

[Forced_Induction]

When you got it at everybody dont build their cars low rpm engines?

When will you get that not everybody can/wants to build a $12,000 race engine that performs slower than stock on the street? People want a usable engine, not just 4500-6000rpm of power. Whats the point of 529hp if a stock OM617 can beat it to the next stoplight?

Can you tell how much originally om605 gives torgue at 4500, 5000, or 6000rpm?

None since they don't naturally revv that high.

By the way, when i star build this engine, it has 170nm/3200rpm

A naturally aspirated 605 makes that much at 2800rpm!
My engine makes more torque (250nm) from idle to 3200rpm, without smoke!

What you need is a good HE351Ve to broaden that curve!

Have you got any 1/4 mile or 0-60 videos?

[jeemu]

Forced. If you opinion is at everybody dont want same thing about their engine, why you criticise my work everywhere?

Still you dont have better results to show.

And what comes race at stoplights, i think my car beat yours even if you but both your iron engines of it. If you dont know we here in Finland have gears on cars originally.

By the way, new numbers are 550hp/707nm.

[Alastair]

Forced. If you opinion is at everybody dont want same thing about their engine, why you criticise my work everywhere?

Still you dont have better results to show.

And what comes race at stoplights, i think my car beat yours even if you but both your iron engines of it. If you dont know we here in Finland have gears on cars originally.

By the way, new numbers are 550hp/707nm.

We have Gearboxes here too in the UK....

Maybe with Forced's W123 slush-box and tired Iron 617, He'll beat you--NOT!

I know who I take advice from.........!

Jeemu, Have you link to that Finnish drag-race with the W123 and 606 that shows the 1/4 mile time?

[jeemu]

Haha he give me again warning level and delete my post.
How the hell there run a moderating on forums?

Quote jeemu:why here not tell who and why its delete?

Why should removal of trolling posts need to be explained?

Quote jeemu:My message what wa delete was challenge to Forced.

Forced: Your message was a purely trolling post that had zero contribution to the thread or forum. You had no other intention other than to invoke a response causing conflict. That is the very definition of a TROLL.

Quote jeemu:I think at i dont update my project or write anything here anymore.

ForcedMr. Hypocrite, that is the second most childish thing I have seen here yet. If thats the way you feel, bye-bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Alastair]

I really do not know why someone like that is allowed to be a Moderator on any forum!

I am a moderator on a UK Forum and we Never get any trouble of that magnitude at all. The main reason for peace is a small thing called, TOLERANCE.....
--Of which the person in mind on another Forum has zero!

If he disagrees with you--The post gets deleted!

Anyway--To get back on Topic, I have a nice OM.606 Turbodiesel engine at last!

Its being delivered complete with the car and running on Friday. It has 140K miles, and full MBSH to 130K--Hopefully will be good candidate for Superturbo!

[jeemu]

Jeemu, Have you link to that Finnish drag-race with the W123 and 606 that shows the 1/4 mile time?

I talked that car builder yestyrday, but i forgot to askwhat was best time for that car.

[Forced_Induction]

How the hell there run a moderating on forums?

Huh?

Quote jeemu:why here not tell who and why its delete?

Its pretty obvious. You act like a little child you get treated as one.

Quote jeemu:I think at i dont update my project or write anything here anymore.

Thats very childish. Thank you for proving my point.

Quote Alastair:I am a moderator on a UK Forum and we Never get any trouble of that magnitude at all. The main reason for peace is a small thing called, TOLERANCE.

If the members would learn to act professionally then there woudn't be any issue. People like jeemu making purely trolling posts and you making insulting PMs are not in any way professional or welcome in my forum.

If he disagrees with you--The post gets deleted!

Wrong. If you act your age and make useful posts there is no problem.

[jeemu]

Forced: I think at its you who is childish. You ar safe with your moderate rights, and you delete messages how you want. I m not only who has same opinion.

End of discussion by me.

[Alastair]

Quote Alastair:I am a moderator on a UK Forum and we Never get any trouble of that magnitude at all. The main reason for peace is a small thing called, TOLERANCE.

If the members would learn to act professionally then there woudn't be any issue. People like jeemu making purely trolling posts and you making insulting PMs are not in any way professional or welcome in my forum.

--YOUR Forum.....??
--A Forum belongs to its Members....

If he disagrees with you--The post gets deleted!

Wrong. If you act your age and make useful posts there is no problem.

This is hardly the place to air your dirty linen is it?

IF you have an issue with anything I have said then lets hear it--BY PM!

--And, YES you DO delete posts that you dont agree with--Why is it you have been banned from more Fora than anyone else I know??

OVERMODERATION IS THE DEATH OF DISCUSSION--WORTH REMEMBERING THAT ONE!